Conversation between Pino Pini and Joanna Moncrieff on the English and Italian mental health services for the Psichiatria Democratica webinar 13-14 December 2022 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-sVQC2wV1J8YM2zJvd6DSDu7qDCyhy4S/view?usp=share_link